Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer, I’m right there with ya 😉
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George Kaplan
March 27, 2013
Um, I guess “we’re not worthy” would be too predictable, huh?! If I were to be a little cynical I might not say anything but merely raise an eyebrow! So, Myers and Dana are speaking now? Ha. You see, cynical, cynical… (hey, I liked Dana Carvey as Garth, the Dream Weaver scene, and Bohemiam Rhapsody. And, hey! Brian Doyle-Murray!)
Vickie,just something that I could not find a place to put.I mentioned in my description of my adventure in Highgate Cemetery that it had a connection with the Pre-Raphaelites.It did and its a grim one.Most of the story can be caught up with on Wiki if you want to know more.
Last year the 17th of Febuary saw the exhumation of Elizabeth Siddels remains from the cemetery by her husband Dante Gabriel Rosseti the poet and painter.She had died several years earlier of an overdose,most likely whilst depressed following unsuccessful pregnancies.A verdict of sucicide however was never made.
Her husband wanted to get back a book containing manuscript poems he had slipped into her coffin and according to some accounts into her trademark red hair that appears in many paintings of the time.
After the exhumation which took place in the dead of night the recovered work was published along with other poems.
The Times Literary Supplement published last year a long account of the well known incident in an article entitled-Did Rosetti really need to exhume his wife?This was a hundred and fifty years later and the article dated the 15th of Feb 2012.
Now that puts me in mind of something.You have some great graveyards of massive size.Many containing persons who have strong connections to Hollywood.I am sure you see the trend of my thought.
By the way just been looking at the amazing although run down Angles Abbey in Compton.
I’m thinking of one located in Hollywood that still functions as a cemetery… and in the summer you can take a picnic blanket and park your derrière with departed stars while watching old movies unspool into the night. They always sell out. Last year a certain young man I know climbed the wall with his friends to see “Sunset Blvd”.
Hmmm re Elizabeth Siddel I did not mean to suggest that she was exhumed last year.Careless writing and a slap on wrist.It was then of course one hundred and fifty years before.Must have been a very grim scene.It was sometimes said that her red hair was still very evident in the coffin.No wonder stories of ghosts and goolies attach themselves to that place.
Just a bit of academia ,but the word Goul,Gool or Ghoul is a word from The Indian Continent and is a spirit haunting a graveyard.I am unclear as to my memory here as I am not sure whether it has a human or non-human origin.However the word has passed in the English language.
Forgive me polluting the fragrant halls of Beguiling Hollywood with a vulgar pun (I can’t sleep so that’s my excuse) but I hope the erstwhile Howard W. Jr’s surname is pronounced “Kotch” otherwise “Hawk Koch” could be a particularly unfortunate appellation 🙂 Ach, that’s *terrible*!, I’m sorry, I apologize unreservedly for that, please don’t exile me!
A ticket for Tombstone -thats nothing my pocket had a ticket for -Things to Come.Jesting aside I saw the film recently.What a wonderful Art Deco masterpice it is in places scene wise.How very wrong it was about the future.Tsk Tsk Mr Wells.
“Things to Come” directed by Production Designer (a title he came up with) William Cameron Menzies – Art Deco to the teeth – and I’m happy to report it was screened at the Academy last summer.
I have only seen Things to Come on YouTube.How lucky you were.I will get my own copy evenually.One nice thing about UK is that newspapers give away films with the paper at no extra charge.One of the best ones I ever got{and I take full advantage of this}was a very good copy of Metropolis.
Yes the papers are very generous over here.You can pick up classic films virtually for nothing.When those same DVDs hit the charity shops over here they are not allowed to sell them, so you can have them for a contribution.Its possible to go away with stacks of classic films for pennies.Everyone is happy.
I have a friend who just retired that used to work in rights and acquisitions for a film studio – if I told her what you just told me she’d start hurling crockery 😉 But, the thought of classics for pennies makes me very happy, indeed!
Speaking of classics I have only recently come across the story that is no doubt very familiar to you,namely the proposed for years excavations on the Guadulupe Nipoma Dunes with a view to recovering parts of De Milles -The Ten Commadments- set.I know some parts have been recovered and from what I have researched to date some quite substantial pieces have been discovered and reburied till such time as they can be brought up and even rebuilt.
I also found a rather nice twenties postcard showing two sphinxes that must have escaped{perhaps they ran away from the dynamiting}and settled themselves down by the sides of the entrance to the Santa Maria Country Club ,now The Broadway in Santa Maria.
Any chance you can post some information and pictures re this story.I must admit as a newcomer to the story it has really caught my imagination quite considerably.
Finally I notice that someone has brought a supernatural/horror movie out about the dunes and its hidden treasure.I have not seen it ,but I get the impression that its rather cheap.
Those sets were never intended to last… How fascinating, now wait, I’m trying to remember and writing it down will help… Lloyd Wright did set design for Robin Hood, Leslie Howard may have been in Her Majesty’s Secret Service, and Cecil’s sets are being unearthed… Got it! I’ll see what I can do. Thank you, V
Hello Vickie,sorry I sound really demanding.Its just these strings of things re cinema history really fascinate me.Oh The Los Angles Times ran an article on the proposed excavations on March 18th 2010.
Apparently the proposed excavations would be only to a part due to the vastness of the set plus there have been all sorts of legal wrangles.Cecil apparently mentions the buried set in his Biog with a touch of humour re archeologists in the future finding it and mistaking it for real.It is of course a piece of real cinema history and it would be absolutely fascinating to see some bigger pieces brought up.
Thanks Vickie,thats very kind of you in fact.I have often hesitated to mention things because you seem very knowledgable and I have thought I would probably be telling you something you already knew.
Oh and by the way re Brits associated with the cinema as writers whose work was filmed ,a number were involved in Military Intelligence as a matter of public record ,not some nutty conspiracy theory.To name a few , Ian Fleming whose books hardly need mentioning and well as the author of -The 39 Steps -who was a British Lord.The not much read today,Dennis Wheatley was another example.
I found myself trying to recall the line about “royal ugly dudes,” and realized I was getting it mixed up with “Bill and Ted.” Long term memory a bit less than scalpel-sharp. Hmmm – an onstage discussion? I think I’ll give this one a miss.
Vickie,just a few more things about the lost Cecil B De Mille set.Once again please forgive me if i am telling you stuff you have already researched.
The scale of the set was amazing.I will not give any statistics here as they are freely available.According to one source- The History Blog-the set was dynamited and then bulldozed into the sand in a three hundred yard long trench.Was that possible on a set of that scale?Was that part of the set?
There is a lovely quote from De Mille.If one thousand years from now archeologists happen to dig the dunes of Guadalupe,I hope that they will not rush into print with the amazing news that Egyptian civilization extended all the way to the Pacific Coast of North America.
The chief architect of the ongoing research seems to be the documentary film maker and film historian Peter Brosnan who has his own site.Sadly his efforts seem to have been frustrated for years re this very important site in film history.
If you look at Google Images ,the site of the set seems a mess.However according to Brosnan there is likely to be much larger pieces further down.For example in 1982 he unearthed a six foot wide bas-relief of a horses head.
The Guadalupe Nipon Dunes Visitor Center has some pieces on display and some are in private hands such as a sphinx paw in John Perry auto parts store in Guadalupe.
Peter Brosnan can be seen talking about his work at Santa Maria Times Com Nov 18th 2011.
The film has important links not only to the history of cinema ,but The Art Deco Movement, as the designer of the set was a prominant French artist involved in its formative years.
I am still excited by the whole idea that so much film history is down there and in principal given official go aheads and money some of it is can be excavated.
Thank you Edward, good stuff! You will be tickled to know I know the area well – Guadalupe/Nipomo – because there’s a place there that’s been serving steak and barbeque and biscuits (the kind you slather butter on that are served with breakfast) for over 85 years… Now, if they opened to feed the crew on the 1923 epic, that would be something!
Well thats very interesting Vickie.Well it would be something if they had opened to feed the crews who worked on the film.Seems as if the area had quite a few early films shot on the dunes as well.I think a Valentino,but will have to check.
Strange but good that you know the area well.I will try and find out about other links that the area has to the Hollywood Film Industry and keep you posted{that is if you do not get there before me}
I find all this quite fascinating although of course for me its a place until recently I never heard of.The dunes have a spooky beauty all of there own as well which I like.
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Now, what do you have to say about that? Anybody?
Dude! Where’s my car? I gotta be there! Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia, let me go!
Anyway the wind blows…
The other day I pulled a jacket from deep inside a closet and inside the pocket was a ticket stub from the movie “Tombstone”. Damn I’m old.
Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer, I’m right there with ya 😉
Um, I guess “we’re not worthy” would be too predictable, huh?! If I were to be a little cynical I might not say anything but merely raise an eyebrow! So, Myers and Dana are speaking now? Ha. You see, cynical, cynical… (hey, I liked Dana Carvey as Garth, the Dream Weaver scene, and Bohemiam Rhapsody. And, hey! Brian Doyle-Murray!)
I think it may have something to do with the fact that the producer on the film is now the president of the Academy.
Hence the ever so cynical raised eyebrow, my de-ah 😉
But is it art?
Motion Picture Academy of Arts and Sciences… So, I would say it’s definitely a motion picture 🙂
Heh. That’s the question, Ed! It’s certainly *something*! I think Lady Vickie takes the prize with her reply 🙂
Oh Ms V
I do hope the beelzebub had a devil put aside for The Dandy.
Yours ever
The Perfumed Dandy
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Vickie,just something that I could not find a place to put.I mentioned in my description of my adventure in Highgate Cemetery that it had a connection with the Pre-Raphaelites.It did and its a grim one.Most of the story can be caught up with on Wiki if you want to know more.
Last year the 17th of Febuary saw the exhumation of Elizabeth Siddels remains from the cemetery by her husband Dante Gabriel Rosseti the poet and painter.She had died several years earlier of an overdose,most likely whilst depressed following unsuccessful pregnancies.A verdict of sucicide however was never made.
Her husband wanted to get back a book containing manuscript poems he had slipped into her coffin and according to some accounts into her trademark red hair that appears in many paintings of the time.
After the exhumation which took place in the dead of night the recovered work was published along with other poems.
The Times Literary Supplement published last year a long account of the well known incident in an article entitled-Did Rosetti really need to exhume his wife?This was a hundred and fifty years later and the article dated the 15th of Feb 2012.
Now that puts me in mind of something.You have some great graveyards of massive size.Many containing persons who have strong connections to Hollywood.I am sure you see the trend of my thought.
By the way just been looking at the amazing although run down Angles Abbey in Compton.
I’m thinking of one located in Hollywood that still functions as a cemetery… and in the summer you can take a picnic blanket and park your derrière with departed stars while watching old movies unspool into the night. They always sell out. Last year a certain young man I know climbed the wall with his friends to see “Sunset Blvd”.
I’ll look up that article, thank you!
Hmmm re Elizabeth Siddel I did not mean to suggest that she was exhumed last year.Careless writing and a slap on wrist.It was then of course one hundred and fifty years before.Must have been a very grim scene.It was sometimes said that her red hair was still very evident in the coffin.No wonder stories of ghosts and goolies attach themselves to that place.
Just a bit of academia ,but the word Goul,Gool or Ghoul is a word from The Indian Continent and is a spirit haunting a graveyard.I am unclear as to my memory here as I am not sure whether it has a human or non-human origin.However the word has passed in the English language.
Jodhpurs, ghoul, pajamas… I think there’s another story in that 😉
I’ve got the article up on my screen now: http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article872671.ece
Forgive me polluting the fragrant halls of Beguiling Hollywood with a vulgar pun (I can’t sleep so that’s my excuse) but I hope the erstwhile Howard W. Jr’s surname is pronounced “Kotch” otherwise “Hawk Koch” could be a particularly unfortunate appellation 🙂 Ach, that’s *terrible*!, I’m sorry, I apologize unreservedly for that, please don’t exile me!
You will be happy to know, his name is pronounced with the appropriate sounding “t”.
I am relieved. *For him*! Hawk?! Hm.
Hope you have delightful day, R.
Thank you Vickie that clears up any confusion.Smile.
Yes George a witty understated reply.
A ticket for Tombstone -thats nothing my pocket had a ticket for -Things to Come.Jesting aside I saw the film recently.What a wonderful Art Deco masterpice it is in places scene wise.How very wrong it was about the future.Tsk Tsk Mr Wells.
“Things to Come” directed by Production Designer (a title he came up with) William Cameron Menzies – Art Deco to the teeth – and I’m happy to report it was screened at the Academy last summer.
Wildly popular. Success. Classic. Really? Maybe I should have watched it. 😉
I note that the tickets go on sale on April Fools Day.
It’s surprisingly sweet spirited, and very goofy, and makes “must see” TV, but a movie???
I have only seen Things to Come on YouTube.How lucky you were.I will get my own copy evenually.One nice thing about UK is that newspapers give away films with the paper at no extra charge.One of the best ones I ever got{and I take full advantage of this}was a very good copy of Metropolis.
“Metropolis”??? I have only one word for that, whoa!
Yes the papers are very generous over here.You can pick up classic films virtually for nothing.When those same DVDs hit the charity shops over here they are not allowed to sell them, so you can have them for a contribution.Its possible to go away with stacks of classic films for pennies.Everyone is happy.
I have a friend who just retired that used to work in rights and acquisitions for a film studio – if I told her what you just told me she’d start hurling crockery 😉 But, the thought of classics for pennies makes me very happy, indeed!
Perhaps not as happy as it makes me Vickie.
Speaking of classics I have only recently come across the story that is no doubt very familiar to you,namely the proposed for years excavations on the Guadulupe Nipoma Dunes with a view to recovering parts of De Milles -The Ten Commadments- set.I know some parts have been recovered and from what I have researched to date some quite substantial pieces have been discovered and reburied till such time as they can be brought up and even rebuilt.
I also found a rather nice twenties postcard showing two sphinxes that must have escaped{perhaps they ran away from the dynamiting}and settled themselves down by the sides of the entrance to the Santa Maria Country Club ,now The Broadway in Santa Maria.
Any chance you can post some information and pictures re this story.I must admit as a newcomer to the story it has really caught my imagination quite considerably.
Finally I notice that someone has brought a supernatural/horror movie out about the dunes and its hidden treasure.I have not seen it ,but I get the impression that its rather cheap.
Those sets were never intended to last… How fascinating, now wait, I’m trying to remember and writing it down will help… Lloyd Wright did set design for Robin Hood, Leslie Howard may have been in Her Majesty’s Secret Service, and Cecil’s sets are being unearthed… Got it! I’ll see what I can do. Thank you, V
Hello Vickie,sorry I sound really demanding.Its just these strings of things re cinema history really fascinate me.Oh The Los Angles Times ran an article on the proposed excavations on March 18th 2010.
Actually, I like your tips… Sometimes my brain just goes blank with this blog so your suggestions are very helpful.
Hugs,
V
Apparently the proposed excavations would be only to a part due to the vastness of the set plus there have been all sorts of legal wrangles.Cecil apparently mentions the buried set in his Biog with a touch of humour re archeologists in the future finding it and mistaking it for real.It is of course a piece of real cinema history and it would be absolutely fascinating to see some bigger pieces brought up.
Thanks Vickie,thats very kind of you in fact.I have often hesitated to mention things because you seem very knowledgable and I have thought I would probably be telling you something you already knew.
Oh and by the way re Brits associated with the cinema as writers whose work was filmed ,a number were involved in Military Intelligence as a matter of public record ,not some nutty conspiracy theory.To name a few , Ian Fleming whose books hardly need mentioning and well as the author of -The 39 Steps -who was a British Lord.The not much read today,Dennis Wheatley was another example.
I found myself trying to recall the line about “royal ugly dudes,” and realized I was getting it mixed up with “Bill and Ted.” Long term memory a bit less than scalpel-sharp. Hmmm – an onstage discussion? I think I’ll give this one a miss.
I am going direct to movie jail, but… the onstage discussion is probably a lot more interesting than the movie at this point 😉
Vickie,just a few more things about the lost Cecil B De Mille set.Once again please forgive me if i am telling you stuff you have already researched.
The scale of the set was amazing.I will not give any statistics here as they are freely available.According to one source- The History Blog-the set was dynamited and then bulldozed into the sand in a three hundred yard long trench.Was that possible on a set of that scale?Was that part of the set?
There is a lovely quote from De Mille.If one thousand years from now archeologists happen to dig the dunes of Guadalupe,I hope that they will not rush into print with the amazing news that Egyptian civilization extended all the way to the Pacific Coast of North America.
The chief architect of the ongoing research seems to be the documentary film maker and film historian Peter Brosnan who has his own site.Sadly his efforts seem to have been frustrated for years re this very important site in film history.
If you look at Google Images ,the site of the set seems a mess.However according to Brosnan there is likely to be much larger pieces further down.For example in 1982 he unearthed a six foot wide bas-relief of a horses head.
The Guadalupe Nipon Dunes Visitor Center has some pieces on display and some are in private hands such as a sphinx paw in John Perry auto parts store in Guadalupe.
Peter Brosnan can be seen talking about his work at Santa Maria Times Com Nov 18th 2011.
The film has important links not only to the history of cinema ,but The Art Deco Movement, as the designer of the set was a prominant French artist involved in its formative years.
I am still excited by the whole idea that so much film history is down there and in principal given official go aheads and money some of it is can be excavated.
Thank you Edward, good stuff! You will be tickled to know I know the area well – Guadalupe/Nipomo – because there’s a place there that’s been serving steak and barbeque and biscuits (the kind you slather butter on that are served with breakfast) for over 85 years… Now, if they opened to feed the crew on the 1923 epic, that would be something!
Well thats very interesting Vickie.Well it would be something if they had opened to feed the crews who worked on the film.Seems as if the area had quite a few early films shot on the dunes as well.I think a Valentino,but will have to check.
Strange but good that you know the area well.I will try and find out about other links that the area has to the Hollywood Film Industry and keep you posted{that is if you do not get there before me}
I find all this quite fascinating although of course for me its a place until recently I never heard of.The dunes have a spooky beauty all of there own as well which I like.