
INTERVIEWER
There’s a passage in one of your books in which you and Auden are on a train, and you’re savagely attacking religion, and he says: “Be careful, my dear, if you carry on like that, one day you’ll have such a conversion.” Do you think of it in those terms, as a conversion?
ISHERWOOD
Yes. I rather think so. I went through all sorts of attitudes to it. There was a period when I thought I might become a monk myself.

“If I Could Tell You”
(Collected Shorter Poems 1927–1957: W. H. Auden)
Time will say nothing but I told you so,
Time only knows the price we have to pay;
If I could tell you I would let you know.
If we should weep when clowns put on their show,
If we should stumble when musicians play,
Time will say nothing but I told you so. . . .
The winds must come from somewhere when they blow,
There must be reasons why the leaves decay;
Time will say nothing but I told you so. . . .
Suppose the lions all get up and go,
And all the brooks and soldiers run away;
Will Time say nothing but I told you so?
If I could tell you I would let you know.
Isherwood and Auden came to the United States in 1939 and both became American citizens. Auden settling in NY, Isherwood in LA.
Isherwood preferred the city on the edge of the wilderness. Auden was a denizen of all things urban. Both were profoundly concerned with the human condition and the life of the spirit. While Isherwood was more vocal on this score, Auden quietly served others in startling, profound, and largely silent ways.
The last line of the script, about loving and paying attention, made me cry.
It’s one of my favorite movies of the year, and it captures growing up in a way both funny and heart breaking. Greta G. … fabulous! And I read somewhere online that she is involved with the latest movie version of “Little Women” — a novel that never really translated perfectly to the screen, but now I have hope that it will. I owe you an email, xox!
Not seen Lady Bird yet, it’s on my list now though 🙂
I just saw it recently myself, and it was kind of like reading a great novel. I hope you enjoy it!
I love that question, about love and attention being the same thing. Profound, really
what a deeply glorious photograph of them both.